it is a fact that the end is coming.. whether it's the end of your natural life or the end of this world, one thing is for certain, the end is near.
LOL...Elsewhere! Too funny!
I often thought that if it came down to Armageddon or whatever that I would never run back to the Borg. I mean think about it, if Jehovah is all knowing and can read the heart then he knows why you are running back and will just kill you anyway. I'd rather spend my last days free and happy.
"...if there is a hell, I'll see you there." (NIN - Downward Spiral)
I'll be the one providing the fire.
subject shoulda tipped you people off!.
couple of weeks back, i was busy winding up my evening at a gay nightclub near my home in johannesburg, when across the room i notice this drop-dead-gorgeous woman sitting there with her obviously gay friend.
so i stare at her a bit, get some eye-contact going, and i reckoned i was making some decent progress!
Y'all are so funny! ("Y'all" - guess what state I'm from?)
Anyway, I know what it's like to hide who you really are at the KH...I can't imagine what it would be like at Bethel.
I did everything I was "supposed" to do in order to keep straight...you know, prayer, prep for all the mtgs, personal study, 'good' association. I married a brother. I even became a regular pioneer to help keep my thoughts 'clean' and stay busy. I became so miserable that I got suicidal. I ended up on 3 prescription medications for depression, anxiety, and sleeping disorders. I started therapy hoping that having someone to vent to would help. Nothing worked!
I got desperate to 'do what was right' and asked an elder for a sheparding call so I could confess all my 'evil fantasies'. The elder forgot about my tearful request and six months later I ended up committing adultery. It was the best thing that could have happened! I am now free and have learned the hard way that the JWs are the borg. I'm glad I got out when I did. Since leaving the WTS I've been taken off two of my depression meds and I get a good nights sleep. I am free and happy and at peace!
"...if there is a hell, I'll see you there." (NIN - Downward Spiral)
I'll be the one providing the fire.
i'm curious: what rules have you dealt with that were just "too much" -- whether they were "official" (i.e.
in print) or not?.
i think a good, general one is r-rated movies.
Hey Spaz,
If we have the same parents boy do I feel sorry for you! LOL Heck, I feel sorry for me!
Your mom probably didn't let you watch The Flintstones because if you acknowledge that they are cavemen and that means you support evolution.
My mom wouldn't let me watch the Smurfs because of the majic and I couldn't watch Speed Racer (one of my favs) because the theme song said 'he's a demon on wheels'. Now is that 'too much' or what?!
"...if there is a hell, I'll see you there." (NIN - Downward Spiral)
I'll be the one providing the fire.
i'm curious: what rules have you dealt with that were just "too much" -- whether they were "official" (i.e.
in print) or not?.
i think a good, general one is r-rated movies.
When I was dating a brother in my congregation our parents made ridiculous 'scriptural' rules for our dating:
We could only go in field service together in a car group of five. (How many car groups have five people?!)
We could talk on the phone for 30 minutes a week.
We could not go out in public or to a gathering without 8 (count them - eight) chaperones.
We could write letters to one another but only one 1page letter per week each.
Our parents said that one day we would thank them for this...I looked at my mother and said, 'No, I will never thank you for what you are doing to us.' I was right...neither of us ever appreciated it.
"...if there is a hell, I'll see you there." (NIN - Downward Spiral)
I'll be the one providing the fire.
my father, an elder, is willing to speak with me about the society's view of disfellowshipping.
i actually think that today i put a chink in his armor about the whole thing.
(i'm very shocked, and just a bit hopeful.
I don't know if this will help you or not, but I thought I'd give you my personal experience.
I was recently DFd and my father, who is also an elder, is totally taking it to the extreme with the shunning thing. I was mostly raised by this guy but you wouldn't know it by the way he's acting. I'm not welcome in his home. I can't go visit my dying uncle in the hospital. He said that if he ever sees me that he wouldn't even hug me - because that's a greeting! Whatever! I asked him to tell me where in the Bible it says that he can't hug his own daughter. His response? 'I can't talk to you about the Bible because you're DFd.' My father said that I'll be allowed to call once a month just to make sure no one died. That strengthened my resolve to never go back to the 'borganization'. Any doctrine that makes their members disown their own children is not from God. Love is supposed to be unconditional.
"...if there is a hell, I'll see you there." (NIN - Downward Spiral)
I'll be the one providing the fire.
subject shoulda tipped you people off!.
couple of weeks back, i was busy winding up my evening at a gay nightclub near my home in johannesburg, when across the room i notice this drop-dead-gorgeous woman sitting there with her obviously gay friend.
so i stare at her a bit, get some eye-contact going, and i reckoned i was making some decent progress!
The first time I went to a gay bar in my hometown was the night I got DF'd. My girlfriend took me cause I needed a drink. :-)
I had a blast!
"...if there is a hell, I'll see you there." (NIN - Downward Spiral)
I'll be the one providing the fire.
did anyone else hear that for all the questions of 'why do we do this?
' or 'how come we can't do that?
' that was the most bs cop-out answer i have heard.
Heard it all the time. I was allowed to sit with my fiancee, but not to date w/o a chaperone.
"...if there is a hell, I'll see you there." (NIN - Downward Spiral)
I'll be the one providing the fire.
i've been studying with the jw's for about a year now.
i know that by nature (or nurture!
) i have an addictive personality so i have tried to be real careful that i'm doing the right thing by getting involved with them.
YK,
You quoted: 1 John 3:7-8 - "Little children, let no one mislead you...He who carries on sin originates with the Devil...."
Well, what do you think you are doing here? YOU are carrying on sin! You, as a baptized JW, are not to greet, eat with, or carry on conversations with disfellowshipped/disassociated persons...especially Bible/scripturally based discussions. Yet, you continue to remain among us. Don't you know that bad association spoils useful habits? The first part of 1Cor 15:33 says, 'Do not be mislead!' By who? By yourself. You are only fooling yourself if you think that you have Jehovah's blessings here in your 'ministry'. JWs are taught that if you are at a door and involved in a disagreement with the householder that you need to move on. Why? Because you no longer have Jah's spirit, the angels have moved on the the next householder. You may count the time but Jehovah wouldn't.
You are also argumentative and self-righteous! You are an example of a PUSHY Witness. Romans 12:18 says,"If possible, as far as it depends upon you, be peaceable with all men." Again, you break Jehovah's law. You are not above that Law or the Bible. You are no better than any of us, nor are you more moral. You say that you are following Paul in becoming all things to all people...that makes you an APOSTATE!
"...if there is a hell, I'll see you there." (NIN - Downward Spiral)
I'll be the one providing the fire.
i kinda came in on the middle of everything.
i'm totally a newbie.
my question is: what is the dateline show everyone keeps mentioning in regards to pedophiles?
Thanks Celia. I checked out the Silent Lambs site. I'm glad to know that someone in the organization started thinking for themselves instead of just 'doing as we're told.'
"...if there is a hell, I'll see you there." (NIN - Downward Spiral)
I'll be the one providing the fire.
i've been studying with the jw's for about a year now.
i know that by nature (or nurture!
) i have an addictive personality so i have tried to be real careful that i'm doing the right thing by getting involved with them.
Hey Meow,
One sign of a cult is that they try to keep you from researching thru outside sources...they label them as dangerous...just look at what You Know said "They "utter swelling expressions of no profit" because they only pretend to have some special insight into the truth and they desperately want to plant a seed of doubt in your mind in order to wreck your spirituality." Right there is the proof that cult influence in ground into this one.
Hey You Know,
Thanks for backing us up! By the way troll, do the elders in your congregation know you are a member of an "apostate" forum? I bet they'd be interested to find out.
"...if there is a hell, I'll see you there." (NIN - Downward Spiral)
I'll be the one providing the fire.
